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Post by Nearco on Sept 2, 2012 23:37:03 GMT
Well, by the looks of it, "people without cards" isnt gonna be a problem any more...
But, I'm wondering if Harimoto and co are gonna let Akiyama out of his room.
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Post by 10k on Sept 3, 2012 2:43:50 GMT
Guh, nothing simple will come out if the author gave us a floor plan of the building.
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Post by Alydar on Sept 3, 2012 16:23:57 GMT
I wonder whether something I noticed early on will come into play. Based on this page, it appears that any player with only high card X is considered Pig as well. Considering only two people currently have hands that aren't high card, that's a lot of Pigs... and I doubt they'll be able to find a way to have Nao be the only Pig in this game... So they'll have Akiyama be the winner and redistribute winnings. Though... there's also the problems of 2nd and 3rd place winnings not being distributed, so that's 50M per loser, 10M of which would go straight to the LGT (or so I would assume). Unless they get a third place player or something. But the only way I can see Harimoto fixing this bid so trust fails again without making himself look bad is if he has one of the two people bidding bid higher on the other lot and bid low on his own, winning both by being the only bid on his own lot and the higher bid on the other lot. I'm guessing whoever's chosen to bid on Akiyama's set will be that player, so Harimoto profits while Akiyama doesn't. Or if he can somehow have Akiyama/Nao vote or if somehow having one of the others voting on a change session actually does something to help him. Or doing the above and having one of those other people win the lot that less is bid on. Or something... |
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Post by 10k on Sept 12, 2012 2:36:22 GMT
Geez. While Harimoto is rockin' his straight flush, I've yet to get so much as a pair. Though I gotta say that I love the timing of the manga chapter and our game. Can't we all just bid in 0's and 5's in and get along instead of one-upping each other?  |
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Post by Nearco on Sept 14, 2012 3:22:04 GMT
Hmm... I pulled the same move Harimoto just did during LGT2. I was planning on betraying someone, but I needed an excuse. Then I saw signs of them betraying me. Bam. Done. Then, they tried to get up me and I just got up them harder and they were all "oh. yeah. um... sorry?"
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Post by 10k on Sept 21, 2012 21:23:15 GMT
Nao seems to be getting better at this Liar Game thing. We need more moments like this in the Liar Game. I can see it now: "Nao-chan that was amazing!" exclaimed Akiyama.
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That came out wrong. Anyway, anybody want to bet chips on whether "Harimoto Group" will get a name change?
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Post by Alydar on Sept 21, 2012 23:22:43 GMT
That came out wrong. Anyway, anybody want to bet chips on whether "Harimoto Group" will get a name change? Yes, the soon-to-be-dubbed "Group which Nao crushed to a pulp." ...if only, if only...  |
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Post by Nearco on Sept 25, 2012 6:03:51 GMT
There is another possible course of action Nao could take regarding Kawai...
Let him lose, take on his debt. The same thing she did for Miura back in the Downsizing game. He has something along the lines of 200M debt, I believe. (I might be wrong on that.) He gets 50M from this game. Nao gets 50M. Assuming Akiyama does nothing for the rest of the game, he gets at least 496M. Easily enough to clear the debt of 2 players. Nao then substitutes for another player, and has their debt cleared. (That amount assumes that 3 other players get higher hands that Akiyama, i.e. he isn't a pig, but he doesn't get a prize.)
As stands, the LGT will be losing out on this game. (Similar to the previous revival rounds) Nothing will change that at this point.
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Post by 10k on Sept 29, 2012 1:04:28 GMT
That Alsab really has it out for Nao. And I like how Manga!Nearco's mask is sweating.
If you guys remember, we could all see the start of Kimura as leader back when she whispered into Harimoto's ear at the start of Musical Chairs.
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Post by Alydar on Sept 29, 2012 2:56:29 GMT
And of course Akiyama knew ahead of time, so even though Nao was smart about things for once, she still can't step into her main character role. Also, whenever I see "Alsab" I think "Balsa." Sure, that may be because I read backward (for whatever reason) and am slightly dylsexic at times... (I'm weird like that)  But I find it funny nonetheless. And yay! Backstory! ...but I'm kinda done with Bid Poker at this point. The problem that it reaches in actuality is the same thing that's come up in Card Auction: there's no real incentive to discarding cards from your hand. Sure, you can get money from it if you plan well and conspire, but the only reason is to help other people. And as far as I've seen in the LGT, most people playing have little reason to help others unless they can be convinced there's still a way for them to profit greatly or if they're being manipulated/dominated by another. Speaking of, considering Card Auction is nearing the end of its first run-through and Bid Poker is (hopefully) nearing completion, what do you think about the two games? I made Card Auction way back when, last year in October, well before Bid Poker was revealed (I think I first heard about Bid Poker in December?). They definitely have their similarities, but the differences lead to an entirely different play style. We did a run-through of Bid Poker in LGT2, and there was definitely a lot going on behind the scenes for the game, considering there were already-formed alliances, and people had extra cards to spare. Sadly, this isn't the case in the manga rendition, as not only does everyone basically have enough for 5 cards each, but one person is left with only 2! There's no reason for a player who has an advantage at the top to give cards away and give up their top spot, where they're getting a huge payout from the pigs they're creating! And the lower players can't give up cards, or they become pigs, so they can't even help each other out, unlike what happened in LGT2. Admittedly, there were a few differences in play as not much of Bid Poker had been revealed yet, but it was interesting to see it play out before the manga had completed it. As for Card Auction, it's a game where the groups of cards you get aren't set in stone. You buy them one by one and have to think ahead to what you'd be missing if you use up your coins too quickly. You want cards early on, to gain an early lead, but you also don't want to be left in the situation where you can't outbid anyone, or at least where you're constantly outbid on the cards you'd need to improve your hand. Also, you're not caring about your coins as much (e.g. you're willing to end with 0 coins), even though they go to the dealer most of the time (which in manga terms is a taboo!). They count as points, giving potential incentive to discard unneeded ones to help an ally in return for a fair number of coins, but again there's no huge incentive in most situations. So that's some of what I've been thinking about, and I was wondering if you guys have any comments as well? Specifically on the comparison between the two games? And I understand if those playing the game would rather wait until the end of the run-through to reveal their thoughts.  Also, what about the likelihood of having no initial hands with any placement? With just a hand of 5 cards from a 52 card deck, there's a little bit more than a 6% chance that it holds any value. And the exact same odds for a hand of 6 cards! Admittedly, the odds change greatly as the number of available cards are revealed based on each specific hand, but (<-- see edit below) it still seems unlikely to me that there are no placed hands initially. Is there anyone with a greater knowledge of probability who could maybe give a better answer? It's just been something I've been wondering about... EDIT: And I obviously know very little about probability. Based on Wikipedia, the probability of getting a placed hand of 5 cards is 49.9%. If there's all 10 hands not getting those odds... something strange is going on, or they're just being unlucky. But I still say Kaitani/LGT rigged it for story purposes/money.  ...and further using those calculations from Wikipedia, the probability of getting a placed hand of 5 from a 6 card hand is 65.7%. Again, unlikely that the presented round would happen... |
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Post by 10k on Sept 30, 2012 15:40:43 GMT
I think I like Card Auction better as a competitive game. It has a more robust scoring system where every card you have matters, and you're not just typed into a specific hand rank that may or may not be easy to improve; 4-of-a-kind is not easy to turn into a straight flush in Bid Poker, but scoring more points is just a few cards away even with that hand in Card Auction. Of course, I'm winning the current Card Auction, so that may or may not be coloring my opinion, but improvement is by far more possible (to me, at least) in Card Auction than Bid Poker. After all, it was not until mid-game that I started getting points.
Bid Poker looks like the kind of game where having high card as a rank would be much merciful, but I guess Bid Poker is more interested in following the LGT philosophy; players HAVE to work and trust each other to not be pigs and bid the lowest possible to keep their coins, whereas in Card Auction, most of the time I've tried to have someone work with me tended to meet with rejection, because it's really, really easy to go far on your own due to the scoring system. The act of discarding cards is a scary but necessary prospect in Bid Poker because of how one mistake kills you but so does doing nothing and staying a pig; whereas I might want to keep that random card to mesh well with unknown future combinations in Card Auction. In this regard, Bid Poker is far stronger at asking players to trust each other and team up.
So to answer your comment about all those hands not even having a pair, I think that's deliberate on the part of the LGT. And keep in mind, this is all based on an experience and opinion or two. After all, I'm only playing with 3 other players, lots of cards for everyone.
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Post by 10k on Oct 6, 2012 6:42:22 GMT
A new secret plan by Akiyama. And goodness, Nao is slow, but that determined expression of hers is adorable.
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Post by Nearco on Oct 8, 2012 1:06:29 GMT
A new secret plan by Akiyama which changes what the game is about...
I have all of one idea... My mind is tending to cash flow, like Harimoto's team does. Thing is, I see a threshold: Once you have enough coins, extra coins are a bonus, but not necessary. And Akiyama/Nao aren't aiming to win, they are aiming to get a bunch of people to get through their debts. (Note: Not win, just get through debts. If they can't get them through their debts, then not losing is also ok, but not as good as losing+having no debt).
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Post by 10k on Oct 28, 2012 0:40:31 GMT
Or they might push everyone else off a cliff and save themselves.
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Post by Iain7 on Oct 29, 2012 9:31:11 GMT
I think the unspoken law of anime protagonists will make sure that akiyama finds a way to save everyone |
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But I find it funny nonetheless.
